@psylee123 lol hell no. This forum is open source software. I had to get another guy to set it up. Phoenix Framework looks interesting though. That one looks worth learning. It’s built for scaling and reliability from the start so bigger projects remain maintainable and relatively easy to modify quickly.
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Or even within EA, I remember talking to a Korean girl who refused to be seen as “Asian”; who insisted Korean women were better looking than Chinese women and got angry if anyone compared the two.
A lot of Asian women are gonna be uppity about a lot of things but regardless of how uppity they get or how “superior” they perceive themselves to be, the women they look down on (in your example, Chinese or SEA women) STILL won’t get defeminized or be considered unattractive by society at large. A SEA woman still won’t have issues getting with a NEA man nor any non-Asian man, no matter how much NEA women look down on them so regardless of whether we promote specifically just SEA female features or SEA female + NEA female features or SEA female + every other female features, it wouldn’t matter. In any case, Asian women, in general, are already fetishized to the extreme. A few conceited Asian women “looking down” on other Asian women shouldn’t hurt the esteem of sane women to the point that it’ll drive so big of a rift in the community (because I’m just gonna be real—most straight women don’t care about the opinion of other women that much, they mostly care about the men’s).
On the flipside, both EA and SEA men have it very bad in terms of being emasculated, so for that reason alone, they are deserving of a stage to themselves where only their features get promoted. Which one has it worst is arguable since China, Japan, and Korea may have the wealth, prestige, and soft power but they also tend to be stereotyped as “nerds” while SEA may not have the global recognition but are seen as “gangsters”, which more women seem to desire over “nerds”. But regardless, I’d say they both have it equally bad in terms of emasculation and I’d say a lot of it is due to western society not taking too kindly to their features (hence why I believe Asian dance crews tend to cover their faces up with masks). So it’s beneficial to focus solely on their standard appearances and promote them, rather than promote them side-by-side with others who look nothing like them. It’s like advertisement. Assuming everyone already loves iPhones but you wanna promote a phone that people generally don’t like, like Nokia. You wouldn’t want to advertise Nokia side-by-side with iPhone. You’d want the Nokia to have the spotlight all to itself. Same concept applies.
Just from words of caution about the whole “they don’t look like us” argument, I’m sure you’re familiar that even within EA/SEA, there are divisions over this.
There are going to be divisions in terms of looks between every race, including whites (blondes vs. redheads vs. brunettes, green eyes vs. blue eyes, Southern European vs. Northern European, etc…) or even blacks (lighter skin vs. darker skin). But the bottom line remains the same; whites, regardless of hair/eye/skin color, will still look more similar to each other than they will to another entirely different race. Same with blacks. And I’m sure both of those communities will agree that they rather see someone within their own community promoted, regardless of the insignificant differences (but still has some similarities) between them and the individual promoted as opposed to seeing someone of an entirely different background who looks tremendously different from them. Very similar to how most blacks, despite not looking similar to Beyonce, still love and promote her as their spokeswoman. Same background, slightly different features but still at least has more similarities to them than say, Britney Spears.
I would just add- to the extent you permit regular attacks at the “out group”, you foster identity by way of Negative Identity, critiquing the out group to enhance in-group cohesion.
That’s essentially how many activist groups seem to work, no? Attacking/critiquing/fighting whites seem to be the basis and foundation that holds most of these groups together to begin with.
But I agree. Constantly bashing others, be it whites or other minorities (well, maybe whites can be an exception…haha, kidding. sorta) without constructive criticism is not a good mindset to have and can be psychologically draining for young Asians to absorb. That’s something that needs to be worked on.
There either is unity or there’s not. Groups don’t just unite opportunistically if there is no underlying sense of cohesion
There is unity, I’d say. Perhaps I’m optimistic but I do believe in the decency of a lot of people enough to unite when the time calls for it. Taking the Steve Harvey issue, for example. Not only did many Asians called him out for it, but I saw white feminists and even some blacks criticizing him for his comment. Or take Jennifer Murphy’s racist “neeja” video incident as another example. Sure, you could say that others called her out only because there was an AF involved and it could be different had an AM been there and not an AF, but I don’t think we can deny the fact that a number of non-Asians still united with us to help criticize her, when they could’ve easily just not cared at all. Or a bigger example would be Trump taking office. People from all backgrounds, religions, sexual orientations, and genders joined together to protest him. So I definitely say there is some unity.
Imo, humans have layers like onions and we have the ability to love every single one of those layers that we have. Of course, for everyone, it’s different how they choose to prioritize those layers. Some people choose to identify with their gender first, then ethnic identity, then race, then national identity. Others choose to identify with ethnic identity, then religion, then gender, etc, etc…but whatever part of their identity that they feel the need to unite with when the time calls for it, most, I would say, are more than capable of doing so.
@CivilRightsAZN “Strong censorship tho. Welcome back to ESR then.”. You guys can grow; but it doesn’t need to be at our expense. We’re not ‘politically correct’ nor are we ‘pro-censorship’. I think you can grow on your own merits, whatever they might be, without misrepresenting AI.
You raise an interesting point I never thought of. Extreme right-winged Asian families (the same ones supporting Trump, I suspect) potentially producing a large chunk of Lus and Chans. However, I would think very liberal Asian families that over-emphasize other minorities’ wellbeing over ours would probably have the same effect, except instead of producing white-worshipping Lus/Chans, they produce black/hispanic-worshipping Lus/Chans. Although I guess you could argue the former is worst than the latter since the latter, at least, is aware of the existence of racism.
I think we can add one group here. “Liberal” Asians whose ideology is aligned with liberal whites (“color-blindness”), who think liberal whites/WF feminists are the greatest asset of Asian movements; they actually account for larger percentage than those empathize blacks or Hispanics. They closely follow white Democrats and emphasize cooperation with left-wing whites. Definitely a dead end. Plenty of them on reddit.
It’s weird that their women would choose to mingle with BM, LM over AM. I still don’t figure this out. Why providing their DNA to whiten black is an option, while not Asians? They are not that smart as they claim, although they are trained to “talk wisely” by consistently lying. Please enlighten me.
There are multiple reasons but the biggest one is that it’s better to be feared than to be ridiculed, at least on an individual level. Also, of the stereotypes, it’s better to be too masculine than too feminine for men, at least romantically. At the individual level, there are way too many Asian nerds who have zero sense of attraction. They’re like fat women who complain that men are misogynistic for not dating them. No, the reason is that they’re hideous. Combine that with the racist media that castrates us non-stop, the lies about our penises being tiny, being misogynistic, etc. It’s a total disaster.
Look at the stereotypes, Hispanic men are macho and tough. Black men are masculine with big dicks. Notice the pattern? These are masculine images. Women can at least respond positively to that. They DO NOT respond to “Pathetic weak Asian nerds with tiny dicks”. Think about women. Imagine how embarrassing it is to say I date an Asian man. Her entire social group has been programmed to imagine the most sexless beings possible when they think “Asian man” and she’ll take a big hit in her status. Being so status conscious, many will avoid us like the plague. Whites have created an entire world that controls her choice through social coercion and then calls her submission “preferences”. Now, there are those who blame Asian women for selling out. I can see the argument, but the biggest one is social engineering. Excessively tolerant and peaceful Asians is the other side of the problem. We don’t fight back. Instead, we elevate these sorts of scum and lie to ourselves how “progressive it is” and reinforce lies about how white men are so “egalitarian” when these lunatics rape and kill more Asian women every other week. There’s also the idiotic “I’m the bigger man” nonsense, where Asian men pretend that it doesn’t bother them. This doesn’t solve anything. It only allows the problem to grow. We all must admit there is a big problem and destroy it. Stop “saving face”. We none to save in the West. We’re already a complete joke.
I need to clarify something.
East Asians are geopolitical rivals at the global level. We have higher IQ, a more cooperative culture, longer term thinking, etc. In a world without military superiority [eg mutually assured destruction], Asians have a good chance at winning the “great game”…But potential doesn’t matter to most people’s day to day perception. It’s the clear lines of dominance that matters, which whites have done through hook and crook.
● ignorance - they think it is pretty much a past tense.
● denial - they knew that western countries set up sweat factories to pollute China and exploited cheap Chinese labors, but they would ascribe it as “destiny of poor country” instead of “economic colonization”.
● lesser evil - Chinese leaders make announcement to fight Western imperialism, from time to time. It is simply a lip service. / They think cooperation with the West is generally more beneficial than harmful: investment of Western capital helped boost Chinese economy anyway. They feel themselves in a win-win situation.
● inferiority complex - You know there is a “face culture” in China. Chinese people can be exploited/enslaved by the West as long as the West maintains its “face” and recognizes it is currently a rich and strong country.
● victim blaming - many progressive anti-Asians in the East who think Chinese culture is backward and deemed it as a major reason that the East falls behind the West (we know the real reason is colonial oppression). Intellectuals, as especially ones of younger generations, regard abandoning backward tradition of the East as progressive and liberal.
I find the last two particularly appalling.
There is opposition to these views, I hope? eg awareness of Western soft power/propaganda
Assimilation means you are a domesticated pet. They throw you scraps occasionally and pat you on the head. Look at many Muslim groups in the UK. They refuse to integrate and their communities are still intact. Asian integrated and now Af hate Am? We are led by morons who fight against Asian interests. We have afwm “leaders” who lecture us about how to be better Asians. It is 100% crazy.
Why do whites hate us?
They hate you because you’re different. You look different. You sound different. These can never be changed. This is why assimilation will always be a dead end with whites.
ps Other whites like Swedes didn’t do or go through 1/20th as much as us and they were accepted within weeks. Meanwhile, they treat you like dirt after two centuries while ignoring their crimes against you, and lecturing you about non-existent “Western Values”.
You realize that if hypothetically, “bad” immigrants are gone, there will be out-competed Whites who will blame “Chinks” [like right now], right?
They get hired right now anyways. Those people can cry all they want. Socially they get stomped right back into the ground.
BTW, the future I expect to be much worse than currently. The reason is that Asia is no longer just some sweat shop. In the next 1 to 2 decades, it will be Asian products that will dominate the world markets. Not only will jobs be gone, but their world-leading brands and products will be gone too. Look up DJI and Huawei. That’s just a small sample.
If automation is really going to have such a huge impact, I think that the big money will be who can create the better “recipes”. If we get to a point where all countries can automate production, then you could see brands and products be a regional thing. Those companies can get taxed and it’ll come back around to people as basic income. The future is bright in my opinion. As long as we don’t get nuked that is.
I’m still waiting on @natalie_ng to get back to me vis a vis talking to my friend about his white wife and in-laws.