False Asian Stereotypes [reddit.com]
False Asian Stereotypes (self.asianamerican)
submitted 3 years ago * by Hexeg1
I visit this subreddit every 1-2 weeks, so I happened to miss the recent submission regarding Asian penis sizes. I’ve been wanting to make this post for a while now, but have been too lazy to start.
False stereotype #1: Asian men have smaller penises.
This stereotype is completely false. As embarrassing as it might be to admit this, I consider myself one of perhaps a handful of people in this world who’s seen many, many statistics of penis size averages across the world. This happened maybe half a year ago, when I once again saw the highly erroneous ‘world penis size map’ website get linked (and upvoted like mad, of course) in a comment. I resolved to search up the real statistics, for I strongly suspected that the penis stereotype for Asians is false for two reasons: Firstly, because my closest Asian friends and I all have penises that vary from 5.5-6.3 inches, properly measured; secondly, because I’ve seen American/European porn from the 70s or 80s, and they all had dicks that looked no different from mine or those you see in Japanese porn. Speaking of Japanese porn, I’ve noticed that they’re increasingly featuring men with larger dicks – maybe as a reflection of changing viewing preferences from their men. I digress. Anyway, after two weeks of painstaking research (during which I was somehow able to find a 2,500 sample-size Chinese study), I was able to confirm my suspicion – that penis sizes for Asian men are pretty much the same as those for all the other races (i.e. ~5.1-5.7 inches).
Here are formal, doctor-measured statistics of penis lengths. Some are stretched lengths and some are erect lengths, both which have been found to be more or less equivalent to each other for most men.
Caucasian penile length measurements from institutional research:
3.7 inches; University of Alberta, Canada; University of Toronto, Canada: http://www.scribd.com/doc/29971609/The-Relationships-Among-Height-Penile-Length-and-Foot-Size
5.1 inches; Department of Urology, St. Mary’s Hospital, UK: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1464-410X.2002.02974.x/full
5.6 inches; Western General Hospital, UK; Edinburgh and St John’s Hospital, UK: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21711435
5.2 inches; The Harriet Lane Handbook, John Hopkins University, USA: http://www.jpedhc.org/article/S0891-5245(09)00140-0/fulltext#tbl1 http://www.copeson.org.mx/medicos/Harriet_Lane.pdf
4.9 inches; University of California School of Medicine, San Francisco, USA: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8683783
5.4 inches; Tel Aviv-Sourasky Medical Center, Israel: http://www.nature.com/ijir/journal/v12/n6/abs/3900627a.html
5.6-5.7 inches; Department of Urology, University of Essen, Germany: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11182344
4.9 inches; University of Florence, Italy: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11223678?dopt=Abstract
5.3 inches; Italian Society of Andrology, Italy: http://www.falloplastica.net/fp/content/dimensioni-pene.asp?layout=1
5.3 inches; Spanish Society of Andrology, Spain: http://www.pulevasalud.com/ps/subcategoria.jsp?ID_CATEGORIA=102161, http://www.lavozdegalicia.es/hemeroteca/2001/02/05/410226.shtml
5.3 inches; Department of Urology, Jordan University Hospital, Jordan: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?itool=abstractplus&db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=abstractplus&list_uids=15510185
Asian penile length measurements from institutional research:
3.8 inches; Department of Urology, Seoul Municipal Boramae Hospital, South Korea: http://www.asiaandro.com/archive/1008-682X/5/185.htm
5.3 inches; Department of Urology, Chosun University, South Korea: http://www.koreamed.org/SearchBasic.php?RID=1020KJU/1922.214.171.1241&DT=1
5.5 inches; Department of Urology, Beijing Medical University, China: http://www.scribd.com/doc/103023459/Chinese-Study-1990
5.3-5.4 inches; Department of Urology, Beijing Medical University, China: http://www.scribd.com/doc/103024071/Chinese-Study-1993
5.3 inches; Department of Urology, Beijing Medical University, China: http://www.scribd.com/doc/104414559/Chinese-Study-1994-3
Black penile length measurements from institutional research:
5.3 inches; Department of Surgery, Nnamdi Azikiwe University, Nigeria: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17191423?dopt=AbstractPlus
(Yes, there has only ever been one formal, doctor-measured study on erect/stretched penis lengths for Black men.)
I included the highly deviant sub-4 inch measurements only to demonstrate how ridiculously erroneous the world penis size map is. The map maker took the 3.8-inch measurement from that one study and applied it to all of Asia. If he were fairer, he’d have taken the 3.7-inch measurement from the Canadian study and applied it as the default penis size measurement for North America, Europe, Australia, etc. I won’t go into all the other made up or rubbish statistics from that website.
All known erect penis perimeter (also known as ‘girth’) measurements from formal, doctor-measured studies:
10.9 cm EG (Caucasian Jewish study) (sample size: 55) (13.6 cm BPEL)
11.17 cm EG (Korean study) (sample size: 150) (13.42 cm EL, unclear if BP)
11.25 cm EG (Spanish study) (sample size: 582) (13.58 cm EL, unclear if BP)
11.46 cm EG (Indian study) (sample size: 134) (13.01 cm EL, unclear if BP)
11.92 cm base-shaft EG (Caucasian Brazilian study) (sample size: 150) (14.5 cm BPEL)
11.93 cm EG* (Taiwanese study) (sample size: 39) (13.58 cm BPEL)
12.11 cm EG (Korean study) (sample size: 309) (14.06 BPEL)
12.30 cm mid-shaft EG (US study, Wessels) (sample size: 80) (12.9 cm NBPEL)
12.40 cm base-shaft EG*, 10.96 cm glans EG* (German study, group A) (sample size: 111) (14.48 cm BPEL)
10.99 cm base-shaft EG*, 10.42 cm glans EG* (German study, group B ) (sample size: 32) (14.18 cm BPEL)
12.50 cm mid-shaft EG, 12.48 cm base-shaft EG (Chinese study) (sample size: 200) (12.1 cm NBPEL)
*estimated from erect width
EG = erect girth; BPEL = bone-pressed erect length (i.e. the most accurate way to measure length); NBPEL = not bone-pressed erect length
Why do I care about this stereotype?
Well obviously because it portrays Asian men in a negative light – it makes us seem less masculine to a good number of people. It might also be causing, or could cause, insecurity in younger generations of Asian American men now and in the future.
My penis measures at exactly 6 inches long; I also have an abnormally large glans (penis head) that sometimes causes my girlfriend pain and discomfort. Other more informed/experienced men here probably understand that the vast majority of women couldn’t care less about penis size as long as you don’t have a micro-penis or large one. Having said that, I can’t help but get annoyed and irritated at how other people might be thinking less of Asian men because of this falsehood. Like it or not, we are all susceptible to stereotypes.
I’ve posted the above stats a few times in response to dick comments on reddit, but have never been able to hit a home run’ where a lot of people see my posts (pretty much because I’m always late by 10+ hours to these ‘opportunities’). It’d therefore be nice if some of you guys could help with this somehow, for the demise of this stereotype has to start somewhere and sometime.
False stereotype #2: Asians have slanted eyes.
We have more narrow eyes in general, but we do not have slanted eyes; the vast majority of epicanthic folds are distributed in a ‘non-slanted’ way. Very occasionally, epicanthic folds are distributed in a way that makes eyes look slanted – here’s an example. I live in Shanghai, and for the past two years I’ve observed the Chinese and their eyes whenever I’m commuting on the subway. Quite simply, the vast majority of them – the thousands I’ve looked at – do not have slanted eyes. My anecdotal evidence aside, you could easily see for yourself whether there’s validity to this stereotype from a google image search of East Asians and/or from this compilation of ‘average’ faces.
Why do I care about this stereotype?
Because we are falsely painted in an exaggerated, unflattering, and alien light. “Studies have shown that facial distinctiveness (a converse measure of averageness) is negatively correlated with attractiveness.” Caricatures that produce an extreme shape are consistently rated as less attractive by subjects across multiple experiments.
There’s a big post coming up that addresses penis stereotypes. It’s part of an Asian man dating guide. This place needs more solutions.
The penis stereotype is utter bullshit. Japanese porn is not at all an accurate portrayal of average Japanese or Asian men since those actors were purposefully selected for their smaller sizes. But I’ve seen enough homemade Asian-American porn where regular, non-pornstar Asian-American guys were pretty well-endowed or were average like guys of other races. Not to mention, there are blogs dedicated to disproving that bullshit stereotype now where hundreds of photos of Asian guys with monsters down there are posted.
Besides, statistics based on penis sizes are extremely questionable. I’ve seen numbers fluctuate back and forth a lot. There have been articles that also stated Japan and Thailand having larger average penis sizes than the U.S. whereas other articles will say the opposite.
Anyways, if white guys are indeed larger, then why do all the naked European statues and paintings seem to disprove that??? In any case, not that dick size matters, but if it did, there’s no such thing as a difference in sizes between race.
As for the eyes, I agree that many Northeast Asian eyes are narrow, not slanted. That being said, narrow eyes aren’t unique to Northeast Asians. Some Europeans, especially Eastern Europeans, also have the same narrow eye shape (check out Trump’s wife, Melania, who have very narrow eyes) and also some African tribes like the Khoisan do too.